How did we get so far ???

I'd agree with gobacktogo, but if i were you leave everything alone. because it's easier than having more thread and gets confused. Lets say there should be an SOTW discussion, SOTW Winners. only for Graphic Crews could do that. no one should spam in Discussion, only they can say congrats in Winner's Thread... I don't know what you guys think? Just trying to give out an idea...

 

That's another issue I have, is that the SOTW Voting threads don't need to just be littering the forum, since the results are posted in discussion AND the SOTW archive the voting threads are pointless. And there's a good 18 of those floating around here!

 

You don't have to do Voting only Graphic Crew gets to choose whoever gets to win... keep SOTW Winners as an Sticky...

 

Exactly and yes, merge would be the appropriate step

SOTW discusision is a thread, essentially

SOTW voting thread, is just that, for voting. The only comments allowed are that you voted.

 

well... just 2 :2cent:

why would anyone try to limit "creativity"?
would anyone complain about 20 new Kate Beckinsale - threads a day?

i´m completely finw with asking people to add to existing threads, but i don´t think you can force them.

just thoughts...

 

That becomes the rub. Do we allow anyone to create a thread showing their sig creations, or do with ask them to post them in the available options?

I do not think anyone wants to limit or deter creativity, but a sense of balance and structure is an acceptable task to ask for

 

As a noob to phun I can say, it would have been damned helpful to have had Caynes post as a sticky for the CB sub forum. I had to do a general forum search with a quote from this thread to find it. I was confused by the webfinds posted in the celeb edits thread so I moved my posts to the your own work thread only to find out the whole CB section is supposed to be phunners original worx.

Not creative stifling laws, but helpful directions making it a simple effort to post and share correctly.

So, since I really only do celeb women artwork and use the main celebrity section for webfinds What thread is the preferred thread for me to post my worx?

Thanks.

 

no dissent.

again, just thoughts... reputation on phun relies more on threads started than posts added, like it or not. so i can understand a certain need to start an own thread.

i´d rather prefer to have more individual threads than less contributors.

 

Just an Quick Question, If i made an Wallpaper I can Post it in New thread or where? it's not an sig it's an Wallpaper or "Big Pictures".

 

Good question, but I think you could post it in your own and in here

Original work can go in the CB, celeb or not. As for the rules being sticked, not 100% sure why they weren't but a decision was made by the higher ups not too.

I agree more threads is better, but I'm still at a loss. We want more threads and more creativity, but we want to clean things up and make it easier to find things. Not sure we can have both.

 

I’m happy to see we finally are having a constructive discussion on the CB … which was my prime goal … so thanks for that guys and girls and fags.

As to rules …
I’d rather name them guidelines ‘cause just like Riv I would hate to see activity dwindle on CB due to thread limitation.

1. The first issue we should solve is the creative confusion.
I know Cayne and later on Riv made it clear (to me anyway) that only own creations should go in CB.
I also stand by that but I do realise that some stuff like tuts, fonts, brushes, vectors, even software is so related to the creative process that it’s plain it belongs in CB and not anywhere else.
Therefore such stuff should be allowed to be posted here … by doing so it obviously becomes clear that you can’t refuse posts like “webfinds”-wallpapers, collages, images etc…
It would seem a good idea however to limit these posts to some fixed threads like:
“Tuts from the web on graphics”
“Celeb&Model Composites from the web”
“Wallpapers – from the web” (… just some suggestions…)

2. A second issue is the sigs threads.
I know I have retraited from that some time ago so I’m not in the best place to comment on that but I still think that just the one would do for all Phun sigs (the 450x150).
Some may argue that it would make the thread go too fast; I can only say, do like I used to do, post several sigs in one post instead of daily posts with just the one.
The rest (sigs that are too large for Phun or vertical etc…) could go in another fixed thread or imo also in your personal thread.

3. Which leads me to a 3rd issue.
While some may think there’s too many threads in CB, I personally favor the idea that every creative Phunner would have his own thread where he can post just about everything … it’s really up to us to keep track of the artist or not. And why not, after 5 pages or so post an overview in thumbs of all the previous posted stuff. Again just an idea.

4. And last but something we should do before the rest: “The Creative Backyard Department of Health”.
I think it would be appropriate to stickie a thread on:
- rules and guidelines for the CB
- as well as other info (advice) like where best to post something etc…
- a place where questions could be asked,
- issues raised,
- suggestions made,
- advice on starting a new thread
- and even fires extinguished
The CB Department of Health because it would serve in fact as a centre to keep the CB in good working shape and all phunners in a giant :image28:.

I think this would be the smartest move to join all of us and the newbies again in one great happy family.
If this were to happen I even might be tempted to make that Pussy Sig … although I think I did one … long time ago…

:2cent::2cent:

 

I can't believe that I just read through this whole thread...

I just think this is a lot of fuzz about nothing.. I think that the two sig threads for babes or everything else should be remained as it is now so that that structure of that ain't lost

Then there should be a separate thread for wallpapers or "whatever" those created by whomever as needed to structure it up, and everyone else should post their wallpapers in that thread too and not create their own.. as it is now (I think). But if someone would like to start their own thread to show how to do anything osr ask how something is done , then they should be able to do that.

As far as the "sig of the week" threads maybe there should be another subforum with the discussion thread and the winners thread should be stickied and then the voting threads lined up after that where the not current ones should be locked after the voting is closed, and nothing else should be allowed in that subforum. As regarding the discussion thread as a spam thread, well that is just fine, spam ain't always bad as long as it is structured..

But I really hate rules so this should only be considered as recommendations and everything should be open for discussion (maybe in it's own thread) except the subforum for sigs of the weeks.

Last, I really cant believe that I actually wrote all this in response! so now I'm gonna make a pussy sig.

 

If i'm not mistaken the members who made their own sig threads back in the day did so to show off their past work. Now with the sig safehaven that doesn't need to happen anymore. :2cent:

 

I think we're getting all this a little out ot hand. Remember, this is the phun forums. We have creative and its a great bonus but how far is this discussion going to go? Should we turn this into a graphics forum?

I think all we need is a little tyding up.

 

To me the removal of a newbies thread is not nothing.
Especially when it all happened due to lack of guidelines or confusion on the topic.
When he created his own sig-artwork thread I really didn't see anything different with the earlier "Sport Sigs", "Rock&Roll Sigs etc...

I'm not a big fan of rules either but I'm not blind to see the confusion popping up on here on a regular basis.

Nope, “creative” is the key word here … work from creative phunners … wether it be on images, photography, music, stories, drawings …
after all that’s what Cayne and the mods intended in the first place.

I might be mistaken but I get the feeling only few really read the “Sub Forum” thread Cayne started in the beginning.
Here’s some key posts from it:

Cayne: http://forum.phun.org/showpost.php?p=2152148&postcount=1
This will be a forum for all people who do some sort of creative work here. Means, custom made signatures, wallpapers, animated gifs and everything else created by you guys.

Jamms: http://forum.phun.org/showpost.php?p=2153192&postcount=6
I am very glad for this room. one of the reasons phun rocks is just this. some of the guys in here have amazing talent and its time it wasnt buried under all the other stuff.

Riv: http://forum.phun.org/showpost.php?p=2180928&postcount=16
just a short reminder. the intention was to provide a more outstanding place for phun-resident creative talents.

Riv: http://forum.phun.org/showpost.php?p=2788353&postcount=42
what some phunners don´t see yet is the fact that having phunner´s own creations (again: words, poems, stories, edits, sigs, songs, tunes, paintings, walls, collages,....,....) in the creative backyard is what distinguishes phun from other places that deal with similar content (more or less explicit celeb-/model-pics and -vids)
and should be encouraged by establishing this special place.

 

I really feel that there is alot being said here and alot being quoted but not much is coming through very clearly.

Can everyone that wants to clearly state their intentions and desires for this room so we can clear up and move on?

 

Don't really get the rush for things as we should have done this way back when the forum was created and there was little confusion.
Now it's tardy and the confusion has grown bigger so the solution takes more time.
Besides I prefer to hear more ideas from other phunners on how to proceed.

I already send suggestions to P4 but it should be a joint effort ... for those interested of course

 

I'm a little tired of it to be honest. I Know its well meant but it seems like more and more regulation and disagreements is draining the fun out of this room.

 

I don't really think there is that much confusion in this section.

Most of the "creative crew" have said that they like the sig threads that are already here and don't really need new ones. If someone makes a new sig thread we can just tell them to add their sig/sigs to the thread that it belongs in and a mod can delete their thread. :2cent:

 

Who's the "creative crew"? and are they the ones that decide what goes and what not?

Who are "we" to tell someone where his posts should go if there's no rule/guideline to start with.

So it's OK for a regular like us to create new sig threads as we please ... until a newbie does the same ... his one is removed

Anyhow ... by now I got the message from the "creative crew" ... wether I'm seeing things that are not there and if some decent argument is made it's all boring ... sic

I'm out.